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Obama Promise Kept: Coal Plants to go Bankrupt with New EPA Carbon Cap
John Ransom

Enviro-Whack jobs are celebrating the demise of America‘s most abundant energy resource, coal. Because coal has just been given the death sentence by Obama and the EPA.

"If old King Coal isn't dead already, he's certainly teetering toward life support," said Frank O'Donnell, president Clean Air Watch in Washington.

The EPA has issued new proposed rules on carbon emissions that will help Obama keep one campaign promise: Builders of new coal fired power plants won’t be prevented from building coal-fired power plants, they’ll just go bankrupt if they try.

“Proposed emission rules for new power plants unveiled by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on March 27 spell the gradual demise of coal-fired power generation and entrench the current cost advantage for natural gas,” reports Reuters’ John Kemp.

If Obama can’t get the tax portion of the Cap and Tax, I guess he figures he might just as well get the cap portion done.

“The agency's proposed rule, signed yesterday, would set a standard well within the capability of modern gas-fired plants but impossible for coal-fired units to meet unless they employ (unproven) carbon capture and storage (CCS) technology.”

Even before this proposed new rule, regulators have been using a variety of stratagems to stop the construction of new coal-fired plants.

“Power developers have scrapped plans for more than 100 coal-fired electricity plants over the past decade,” says a Reuters newswire report, “due to difficulty obtaining construction and pollution permits or because they were simply too expensive.”

Last year the EPA tightened up particulate standards for every type of industry including concrete. Additionally, the agency last year used obscure visibility standards to try to put the throttle on coal-fired power plant, eliciting an eruption of protest from the GOP-controlled House of Representatives

Posted on 3/29 9:00 AM | IP: Logged

Fasten your seat belts ladies and gentlemen, your power bill is going to go straight up! People will complain that the electric companies are just a bunch of greedy bastards, all the while forgetting that Kentucky has some of the lowest power costs in the nation because they have access to coal. For those who depend on natural gas, congratulations, the cost of gas is going straight to the top also. As long as we (the general public) allow these green idiots to put the value of the spotted owl above that of the human race i guess we all deserve exactly what we get. Enjoy!



Posted on 3/29 9:38 PM | IP: Logged

You love coal power plants so much why don't you move your entire family right next to one. Rent is really cheap in those areas and it will help offset those energy costs that got your panties all in a wad.



Posted on 3/30 10:41 AM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by meltdown213:
You love coal power plants so much why don't you move your entire family right next to one. Rent is really cheap in those areas and it will help offset those energy costs that got your panties all in a wad.


A great many people have done just that. They even risk their lives to work in the deep mines. Now they don't eat.

There are many people from way south of the area who would move to the frozen winters of ND, but that area (Bakken) is not being developed and the effective unemployment is around 20% because of politics.

People leave their families for six weeks at a time to do dangerous work on oil rigs. Now they are going hungry because of politics.

When I was a kid, my dad got up in the middle of the night, went into the basement coal room, replenished the furnace so we had heat. Nearly EVERYBODY go dirty then, meltdown.

OBTW, my dad washed his hands before he went back to bed. I never saw any black handprints on my mom.

OBTW2, I am in favor of a clean environment. I just don't understand why everybody isn't. In my household we recycle nearly everything we can according to local regs. #1 & #2 plastic & all the legal paper material plus all the bad stuff that we haul to the landfill. We put out very little (1/3 bag per person per week) primary garbage. Our liberal next-door neighbor NEVER recycles and puts out 4 wheeled tubs per week for 3 people.

OBTW3, I am not abnormal. This is par for the many friends and acquaintances of mine.



Posted on 3/30 4:12 PM | IP: Logged

I'll lay money that your power company knows you by name. People like you are the first to yell about pollution, but you never want to pay the piper for the results of your desire to save the poor red-cockated woodpecker.
How about you make a pledge to all on this board that when coal is phased out that you won't call your local utility and question your bill, or tell everyone that will listen what rotten bastards those mean old lectric people are.
I have family that worked in underground mines, how about you. Do you know anything about coal other than your friends from Greenpeace told you? I bet not! In fact, I would be willing to bet that you have never been around a coal plant. People like you will play a large part in the failing of this country, simply by supporting something that you know nothing about, yet makes you feel good about yourself.



Posted on 4/1 4:17 PM | IP: Logged


Originally posted by PervisTheGreat:
I'll lay money that your power company knows you by name. People like you are the first to yell about pollution, but you never want to pay the piper for the results of your desire to save the poor red-cockated woodpecker.
How about you make a pledge to all on this board that when coal is phased out that you won't call your local utility and question your bill, or tell everyone that will listen what rotten bastards those mean old lectric people are.
I have family that worked in underground mines, how about you. Do you know anything about coal other than your friends from Greenpeace told you? I bet not! In fact, I would be willing to bet that you have never been around a coal plant. People like you will play a large part in the failing of this country, simply by supporting something that you know nothing about, yet makes you feel good about yourself.



How long have you been speculating and assuming a bunch of Jerry Springer crap? Your life must be full of bad bets. Be glad this post isn't Vegas.



Posted on 4/2 5:49 PM | IP: Logged

Meltdown, Pervis asked you to back up you statements with a personal affirmation. All you did was return with an ad hominem attack. I don't know if that violates board rules; if not, it certainly violates normal debate rules. It certainly doesn't add to your case.

The OP, in case you missed it, exposed how the POTUS' punitive legislation was penalizing an industry (unfairly) that is vital to Apallachia. The motivating agenda of the POTUS is GW, which is, at best, a controversial issue. It has been shown that the Cap & trade legislation will do more damage to the World than any possible damage done by CO2.

It has also been shown that the POTUS and Gore, among a few others, will profit billions through the carbon exchange bank. The local fallout of this is loss of jobs in the mining industry, the oil indutry and supporting industries as well as the accompanying hygienic enterprises in the developing areas.

Why is this happening? It is NOT about the environment. It is about control of a populace through ignorance. Note: the operative word is not stupidity. You are a very intelligent person, meltdown. Your are a businessman in the information technoplogy industry - if I remember correctly. I, too am a technical person, but one who, since 2007, has taken a very special interest in World History and the POTUS. I romanced the idea of the 1st black POTUS until I started doing my research. WOW! Do I have a library now!

Here's a little start.

Link: Here's one source


Posted on 4/2 6:37 PM | IP: Logged

Just to ease your mind melty I work in the utility business, and I deal with your type every day. Let me help you save the world. There is something available from your local utility called "green power". You can pay a premium and help us all out. How does that sound?
As for the facts, I'll take your Vegas bet. Have you heard of supply and demand? What will happen to utility costs when power plants are converted to natural gas, as I think LG&E is doing with a couple of it's coal plants? Your natural gas, which a good majority of citizens use to heat their homes will rise sharply. At that point the government will either have to increase aid (LIHEAP) or service to these people will be disconnected.
There are other issues involved also but I thought I would stick to the basics for the sake of understanding. Now, what is your preference? Do you purchase green power? Do you voluntarily pay more taxes as to aid more elderly and low/no income people, or do those people not concern you?
What is it melty? It doesn't take a Vegas magician to get these points, just an honest individual who sees the issues as they really are. You can hide your head in the sand if you choose but that isn't going to change reality.



Posted on 4/2 11:09 PM | IP: Logged

The military is being downsized. Our Navy is the smallest it's been since WW1.

Gasoline is approaching European prices. Minimum wage/entry level workers can't afford to drive very far for work that IS available.

Utilities? Read the thread. The cheapest power source we have is on life support.

The EPA has/is running every manufacturing plant overseas.

The right of free speech and protest is being taken.

Hell, they're even trying every year to make football a less and less contact sport.

I have to ask myself...WHY would any American want to do these things to America? Why?

Maybe someone wants to take us "infidels" down?

Nikita Khrushchev (look it up) said they would take us "without firing shot". Problem is, it's not the communists doing it, but somebody is.

wink

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